Tuesday, January 17, 2006

An encounter with a ‘Liberal’ British Moslem (Part 1 of 2)

Today I met a Moslem from Britain here in Dubai, a man I will refer to here as “Mr. Brit”. He seemed like a very nice human being, he talked and joked around like a very normal person – like you and I might. We went to the food court, had our lunch and sat there for a while talking. He told us that he didn’t pray, didn’t fast and didn’t even read the Koran regularly – in other words he was a liberal Moslem who didn’t take religion seriously at all. So far so good, right?

Then without any warning, this dude started talking about the idea of caliphate. “Mr. Brit” said not only would he like for the Islamic world to combine together as one nation, one country, but he also supported Iran getting its hands on nukes. I wasn’t paying much attention before this but when he said this, I started listening to this dude very intently, and I asked him some direct questions.

My first question was how was this caliphate going to benefit the rest of the world? Mr. Brit said that the caliphate would give ‘all human beings’ equal rights--he kept saying that. We had Hindus with us who were listening to all that he was saying too. So I just asked him what he meant by ‘equal rights’, and he answered that the Koran and Hadiths say that all Moslems are brothers and they should live in harmony.

A second before that, he said ‘all human beings’ were getting equal rights and now it was all about Moslems. He then kept saying ‘in a caliphate Moslems will all be equal, Arabs, non Arabs and everybody else will live as Moslems and there will be no war.’ He addressed and asked the Hindu guys to join in ‘the cause’ and make it happen because this will give everybody equal rights. Then Mr. Brit told them to look back in history for proof, he said in the Ottoman Empire everybody had rights, equal rights but what equal rights did the Ottoman Turks give? He, of course, never said specifically. He just alleged that all were equal Moslems as brothers and sisters, with no difference between Arabs and non–Arabs (oh so that’s equality according to him) and he went on talking about this gibberish.

During this conversation, except for asking two or three questions I was observing this dude very carefully because he was ‘a liberal Moslem’. Leftists love to come up with people claiming that and say ‘whoa, these guys are good guys because they are Moslems, so we should just blame the west for everything.’ According to Mr. Brit, the only ‘humans’ in this world were Moslems because whenever he talked about people getting equal rights he ended up saying Moslems will get equal rights in a caliphate. He never talked about non Muslims having ‘equal rights’ in the caliphate.

This so-called liberal Moslem’s world view, is it really any different than the world view of a hardcore devout Moslem? Where the hell is the difference then? Why call them ‘liberal Moslems’ in the first place when they believe in the same crap the devout Moslems believe in, which is subjugating the world under Islamic rule and power.

And what's even more saddening is that those Hindu dudes were saying ‘Wow!’ when they heard the words ‘equal rights’ and one of them even said ‘I am all for a caliphate’ when he didn’t even know what the caliphate even meant, hell, he couldn’t even pronounce the word. They didn’t know what they were talking about, this reminded me of the leftists in the west – majority of the western people that is – who don’t know what Islam is. How many times do we have to tell them that liberal Islam and devout Islam is all the same. There is no difference between them. (To be continued…).

13 comments:

John Sobieski said...

It's like they don't 'see it', the imperialistic attitude that the Caliphate represents. To them, equal rights for the infidels simply means they should convert and they would get their 'equal rights' because they would then be Muslims. Don't you see; why is there a problem with that?

This logic is of course absurd but to the Muslims, it makes perfect sense. How could anyone not be happy becoming a Muslim.

Very frustrating to try to reason with this mindset.

MissingLink said...

a liberal Moslem - beside the fact that the above is a perfect oxymoron I always worried more about the "modern muslims" not the terrorists.
Terrorists can only exist because of the so called "moderate" - not directly involved Muslims.
Somebody must work and donate so others can explode.

mts said...

... those Hindu dudes were saying ‘Wow!’ when they heard the words ‘equal rights’ and one of them even said ‘I am all for a caliphate’ when he didn’t know what the caliphate meant ... this reminded me of the leftists in the west ... who don’t know what Islam is. How many times do we have to tell them that liberal Islam and devout Islam is all the same...

That statement makes me think that Muslims are more the weapon of the enemy than the enemy. Our own stubborn ignorance (the willingness and desire to not know what Islam is about) makes us our own worst enemy. I think of the saying "We have met the enemy, and it is us." Communism had its "intellectual" apologists who would pooh-pooh any criticism of anything communism did, even with its endless 180 degree policy turnarounds, and ignore proof. I don't know why these same leftists are so in love with defending anything Muslims do, since they'd be the first ones stoned if the ummah gets its hands on them. Our ignorant intelligentia will give the future Caliph the rope he'd hang us with by being its fifth column, making uninformed public opinion the millstone around any Western leader's neck. Sad.

MissingLink said...

"I don't know why these same leftists are so in love with defending anything Muslims do,"

Enemy of my enemy is my friend (until his time comes).

They really think they "can" use Islam in their relentless effort to dismntle Western democracies.

dag said...

I'll stay tuned. Very insightful.

Always On Watch said...

Another outstanding article here. I'm going to come back later to read this more thoroughly. I've got to dash off to work--already late!

Always On Watch said...

Avenging Apostate: He told us that he didn’t pray, didn’t fast and didn’t even read the Koran regularly – in other words he was a liberal Moslem who didn’t take religion seriously at all. So far so good, right?

Then without any warning, this dude started talking about the idea of caliphate...

This so-called liberal Moslem’s world view, is it really any different than the world view of a hardcore devout Moslem? Where the hell is the difference then?


This weekend, I'm putting up a post about the "difference" you mentioned. CAIR will not approve of what I have to say. Hehehe.

Great post, Apostate!

Jason_Pappas said...

I reminds one of Communism back in the 1920s & 1930s. People were told how great communism was going to be and how you'll get all your needs met. Everyone will live in peace in a communist world. "Wow," people would say, "that sounds great."

Of course, the curious person would ask how that would come about. Soon one sees the costs and they are high. Then one sees the reality, and it is not the utopia one was promised.

Yes, people today are ignorant about Islam. People are gullible.

I've had interactions with "moderates" who start to slip up. It happens with little things that don't smell right. Then more "facts" that the person can't really believe. Then the blantant lies.

Your story rings true. Deja vu!

eyesallaround said...

I've had the same experience with the muslims I know. They are so deluded, I don't think they even know the truth. They actually believe all the BS they've been fed over the years. I can tell you for sure the ones I know are in love with Ahmenjadine (or whatever the h*ll his name is)...

The good news is they are very stupid... therefore, they will never be a long term threat. If we wanted to, we could bomb them to smitherines, and deport them. It wouldn't be a hugh challenge.

Jason_Pappas said...

Here's an interesting review on the disconnect between what Muslims say about Mohammad and how Islam really describes the man.

Olivia said...

jason, even today you get people enamoured with Communism, insisting that's still the way to go, despite the horrific results. They tell me 'oh, but it just wasn't applied right before'. I think they're people who figure they'll be in the ruling elite, so it'll be alright for them. Just like Muslims wishing for their precious caliphate. They'll be on top, and the dhimmis will be working their butts off, paying the jizya to the ruling elite: the Muslims. Just like the commie-wannabes. Only the proles work.

We don't have much history being taught about what the reality for non-Muslims was like under Islamic rule in the past. And the way history gets doctored and sanitised, we'll be lucky if the few records we do have last much longer.

the highlander said...

islamic liberalist: an oxymoron? Is that like a non-extremist christian american? God bless the U.S.A... bugger the rest of the world... We've got the bomb.
Israel are our friends never mind their record on human-rights and lack of democracy... they've got the bomb too. So everything's fine. One world-one superpower under the eyes of God... sound familiar?

The Anti-Jihadist said...

Highlander is no doubt off to help his friends in Hamastan or Hezbollastan by now.