Saturday, March 25, 2006

Liberal Islam speaks out on the Apostasy issue


I have been saying this over and over that no matter what you call it, liberal Islam, moderate Islam or fundamentalist Islam, it is all the same. And I will continue to say this until people start paying attention, as it is essential for the West to understand Islam in its true form.

UAE, a country that is quiet on most of the issues around the world, yesterday spoke out officially about the Afghan apostate, Abdul Rahman. A reputed Dubai scholar, Dr. Ahmad Abdul Aziz Al Haddad issued a statement on behalf of the Dubai Department of Islamic Affairs and Charitable Works, a UAE Government department.

The good doctor said:

"This is none of their [the West's] business ... Bush and the West should stay out of personal beliefs. They should not intervene in a purely religious matter of Islamic law [Sharia]… If this penalty is carried out, it will protect many weak-willed people from deserting their religion. If the independence of the judiciary is among the bases of democracy, then it is unjust to interfere in this case. Democracy as practised by the West is fake because it contradicts itself in one of the most important bases.”
Okay, so by killing people, you can frighten the ‘weak-willed’ ones enough to stay in their spiritual and mental prison which is Islam. Fear is to be used so that those who dare to think on their own on even only a semi-regular basis stop doing so. I say that’s one of the beauties of this religion of peace—weak-willed people, you can have Allah do the thinking for you. All you need to do is blow a couple of infidels up from time to time.

Another renowned Islamic scholar here in Dubai, Ahmad Al Qubaisi, had some tactful words on the issue:

"This President bombards thousands of civilians in Iraq. It is not strange that he defies the feelings of a whole nation, which considers a person who deserts Islam an infidel. Bush will immediately declare a man an outlaw if he deserts the US system and spies on America. This is a double standard by the US and the West. This stand is a crusade against the Muslim world."
This is an interesting one. Last time I checked it was roadside bombs placed by jihadists that kill Iraqis, or sectarian clashes between Sunnis and Shiites that slaughter Iraqis, or Moslems who blows themselves up at police recruiting centers that murder Iraqis. Even if President Bush wanted to kill all Iraqis, he wouldn’t need to do much, as the jihadists are doing a mighty fine job there already.

A man ‘who deserts the US system and spies on America’ as the mullah put it is declared an outlaw but a man who goes to, say, Australia and becomes a citizen there is not imprisoned for that. Wrong analogy, Mr. Qubaisi. Even the US Government does not execute Americans that are convicted for spying on the US for other powers, as any number of spy cases in the US can readily prove, like the Pollard case (spied for Israel) or the Walker case (spied for the Soviet Union).

Read the whole story here.

These two sound just like any other mullah, but what’s unique about these mullahs--I mean scholars--in Dubai is that whatever they say must be approved in advance by the UAE government. Only if the government approves are they allowed to say it officially. So these words are essentially speaking on behalf of Sheik Mohammed, the ruler of Dubai and the Prime Minister of the UAE, as well as Sheik Khalifa, the ruler of Abu Dhabi and the President of the UAE. ‘Our allies, peaceful liberal Moslems’… yeah right!!

What does that say about liberal Moslems? How are they different from fundamentalist Moslems? Both want people who don’t agree with them dead. How then can we hope to work with liberal Moslems when we say we can’t do the same with fundamentalist Moslems? This is a matter to ponder over, and one that is crucial for the survival of Western Civilization.

Thank you, ‘liberal Moslems’ for speaking up on this and many other issues. You give me plenty of ammo to prove my point.

Cross-posted at Infidel Bloggers' Alliance.

10 comments:

Cubed © said...

"This is none of their [the West's] business ... Bush and the West should stay out of personal beliefs. They should not intervene in a purely religious matter of Islamic law [Sharia]… "

The West would never be cowed by statements such as this if we were thoroughly schooled in the whole subject of "rights" and exactly what "rights" are.

Because we are not so schooled, we have some sort of whispy notion of rights, often confusing them with the things that government grants us permission to do, which is totally invalid.

If we knew what "rights" really were, we would never doubt, never be confused, and never be morally intimidated about the correct way to respond to a system that violates rights.

The only consideration about whether it is appropriate or not to intervene where rights are being violated is whether we have the capacity to do so.

Just because the majority of people believe something is justified - in this case, the murder of someone who exercises his right to choose a belief system, be it valid or not - does not make it objectively demonstrably correct.

This is the fundamental defect of "democracy." The fact that 51% of people want something doesn't mean it's valid. "Democracy" must operate within a rational framework in order to be fit for human consumption, so to speak. Hence our "Bill of Rights."

It's too long to derive why rights are as much a part of human nature as eye color; note only that the fundamental issue is "life." "Life" is the "standard of the good" when it comes to developing a valid moral code, and Hamlet asked the fundamental metaphysical question when he said, "To be (to exist) or not to be (not to exist), THAT is the question!"

Don't be too put off by this; the derivation of the concept of "rights" can take up a fair amount of space, but when it's done, most people have an "aha!" reaction. Properly done, we don't have the b.s. of a Kant or Hegel, either.

The Doc said...

Moderate Islam does not exist. It's as simple as that. The sooner we clarify this, the better.
And btw...while we discuss about liberal or fundamentalist Islam, they are ahead of us in their Jihad against us kaffirs!

I Am What I Am said...

Islam is essentially "a way of life." To most muslims it is a life of peace. With that said, anyone in any relegion has the option to back out of their relegion. It is not for the people to judge what happens to this person, its GOD, if there is one (I believe there is one and only one). I am a muslim and I know how muslims are. Muslims like me who were born and raised in the west don't always agree with the muslims who were born and raised in the east. But, that doesn't change the fact that the US is an imperialistic country and it sometimes forces its democreacy on people who may not want it. I also believe that because of some of our actions overseas we spawn a breed of new terrorists waiting to happen. Even so, don't say that there are no liberal muslims or non militant muslims because it is simply not true. The majority of the muslims are very peaceful and a loving group of people.

American Crusader said...

you know what pisses me off the most is how they tell the West to stay out of their business while God knows they won't stay out of ours. It's the never ending Islamic double standard.

Always On Watch said...

I found myself nodding my head in agreement to American Crusader's comment here: you know what pisses me off the most is how they tell the West to stay out of their business while God knows they won't stay out of ours. It's the never ending Islamic double standard.

And these Muslims think that it is their Allah-mandated duty to overrun the world. They are beheading children and prancing around in exultation with heads in their hands, for Christ's sake. Savages! Barbarians!

About these "moderate" Muslims.... Remember Alamoudi, darling of two administrations at the White House? He also spoke at the National Catherdral service on 9/14/01 as an official representative of Muslims here in the United States. Alamoudi turned out not to be so "moderate" after all. He's in the penitentiary for money-laundering funds to Hamas.

I Am What I Am: Islam is essentially "a way of life." To most muslims it is a life of peace....The majority of the muslims are very peaceful and a loving group of people.

Only because these types of Muslims choose to ignore or simply don't know what the Koran and the Hadith say. Therefore, they are not practicing true Islam.

I've done my research, and I know the truth. You can't fool me any longer, taqiyya blabbers.

JFP said...

"But, that doesn't change the fact that the US is an imperialistic country and it sometimes forces its democracy on people who may not want it."

Forcing democracy on people who may not want it is not exactly typical of imperialists, is it? Just as we admit that there are degrees of murder, we ought to admit that there are degrees of imperialism. America doesn't enslave its victims or exact a tax from them. We give them democracy. If that's imperialism, it's something like third-degree imperialism, in contrast with the first-degree imperialism of the past.

And those who become terrorists because of our third-degree imperialism are engaging in equivocation. They conclude from the fact that we are imperialists that we must be as bad as first-degree imperialists.

friendlysaviour said...

It's a pity that wahabbis don't dig good music man.
They could just put on some Hendrix, pass the spliff around and groove their roots, man.
Until then, why don't they shut up and keep their nonsense in the place where it came from. Does anyone know where that is?
By the way, there are No moderate molims there are only lazy ones who go to live in USA or EU so they can whine on and on and on about how badly they are treated.
Come round my manor and count the BMW's and Merc's lined up around the mosque.
I get confused when I try to spell hippocrites. Does it start with an M, or an I?
Help me out man.

John Sobieski said...

So Bush's great friends and super duper Allies feel the same as the Afghans - kill the apostate is A OK. The US is run by fools.

The Anti-Jihadist said...

"I am what I am" is a present terrorist enabler and a future terrorist himself.

After all, he is what he is.

Debbie said...

Government doesn't have the right to grant anyone anything. cubed is exactly correct. Our rights are God-given, and yet do need to be set out in print. Islam is not peaceful. The US needs to wake up. They want to destroy us, and killing one Christian is nothing to them.

Debbie
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