Wednesday, March 29, 2006

Malaysian Commission--"Muslims must de-link Islam from terrorism"

"Muslims must de-link Islam from terrorism." Thus has concluded some hang-wringing Malaysian commission that recently published their findings. First time I read this, I howled with laughter. Are Muslims, only now, belatedly realizing that this is a problem?

(Bernama) -- The Muslim world must address the current association of Muslims with terrorism, militancy and intolerance and take steps to delink them, the commission that drew up the vision for the Islamic Development Bank said.
Wow, I simply can't imagine how that association came about. Maybe it's all those civilians that have been slaughtered in the name of Jihad in places like Madrid, London, New York, Bali, Sudan, India, Iraq, Nigeria, and a thousand other places. Maybe its because gay and apostates in Dar al Islam have to flee or hide for their lives. Maybe it's the cartoon jihad, Sudan's genocidal regime, or Iran's venomous rhetoric.

"When religious teachings are manipulated and exploited to legitimise and incite terrorist acts, the religion and virtually the entire Ummah that abhors terrorism pay a heavy price," the commission said in a report Thursday.

Would the esteemed commission care to explain, in detail, on how the Jihadists are wrongly interpreting Islamic teachings? Of course not--we just have to take their word for it. And while this commission asserts (with absolutely no proof) that 'virtually the entire Ummah abhors terrorism', we infidels can truthfully state that at least a significantly minority of Muslims support the Global Jihad. Even if it's only 10% (Prager's estimate), and it may be much higher than that, that's not a trivial amount of support for an evil cause.

The report stresses that Muslims must acknowledge that they too are responsible to some extent for such a state of affairs.

One heck of an understatement, if I ever heard one. So, should we be grateful that the Muslims are now, begrudgingly, confessing some responsibility, or should we lament the fact that they refuse to accept the lion's share of the blame?

Now, I have no certain way of knowing if this commission is yet another example of Islamic cognitive dissonance or just another tale of taqiyya. Assuming for the moment that the aforementioned commission is well meaning (quite an assumption, I know), I have a few questions (courtesy of Investor's Business Daily) for these people, if they are serious about "de-linking Islam" from the three horsemen of terrorism, militancy and intolerance.

  • Is it true that 26 chapters of the Quran deal with jihad, a fight able-bodied believers are obligated to join (Surah 2:216), and that the text orders Muslims to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbeliever" and to "smite above their necks" (8:12)?
  • Is the "test" of loyalty to Allah not good acts or faith in general, but martyrdom that results from fighting unbelievers (47:4) — the only assurance of salvation in Islam (4:74; 9:111)?
  • Are the sins of any Muslim who becomes a martyr forgiven by the very act of being slain while slaying the unbelievers (4:96)?
  • Are those unable to do jihad — such as women or the elderly — required to give "asylum and aid" to those who do fight unbelievers in the cause of Allah (8:74)?
  • Does Islam advocate expansion by force? And is the final command of jihad, as revealed to Muhammad in the Quran, to conquer the world in the name of Islam (9:29)?
  • Is Islam the only religion that does not teach the Golden Rule (48:29)? Does the Quran instead teach violence and hatred against non-Muslims, specifically Jews and Christians (5:50)?

I would certainly love to hear this commission, or any other Muslim, honestly answer these questions. I know we infidels already have. But I am not going to hold my breath.


hutchrun said...

Bernama is the4 M`sian Govt`s Agency.

What`s really happening on the ground is this article that appears on the internet paper (takes space but it`s the reality)

BN MP gets 'ultimatum' from Umno Youth

A MCA parliamentarian's scathing speech on religion and history in the
> Dewan Rakyat two weeks ago has prompted an unannounced visit by Umno
> Youth members bearing a protest letter.
> On March 15, Kelana Jaya MP Loh Seng Kok had complained in the House
> about the 'imbalance' in the history textbook syllabus, Muslim prayer
> recital guidelines and the problems faced by non-Muslims in relation to
> places of worship.
> One of his peers had warned him then about the potential hazards of
> speaking his mind and about his choice of words.
> It is learnt that, six days later, some 50 Umno Youth members, led by
> Kelana Jaya division chief Abdul Halim Samad, paid him a visit. Their
> sudden arrival at about 9.30pm took those at the office by surprise.
> Loh was handed a protest letter. It is learnt that Abdul Halim told him,
> "We don't want to hear any explanation now; this is our letter, you read
> and answer it."
> The MP was also purportedly told that Umno Youth would "take action" if
> he failed to respond to the letter within several days. Some in the
> group had brought along video cameras to record the brief meeting.
> It is learnt that the Youth wing has rejected Loh's proposal to set up a
> religious development department on the grounds that this would
> undermine the position of Islam as the official religion.
> The Kelana Jaya division had apparently held a meeting to discuss the
> speech and concluded that Loh's proposal had hurt the feelings of Malay
> Malaysians, who make up the majority of voters in the parliamentary
> constituency of the same name.
> It is also learnt that a copy of the letter to Loh has been sent to Umno
> leaders at the national, state and divisional levels, as well as to
> Malay-based non-governmental organisations.
> 'Sensitive matter'
> Contacted today, Abdul Halim confirmed that he had submitted a protest
> letter to Loh but declined to comment on the contents.
> Asked for the reasons behind the division's discontent, he replied:
> "There are two or three grounds but I cannot tell you over the phone now."
> On whether the division had gone to the MP's office to teach him a
> lesson, he refused to comment, saying that it was a "sensitive" matter.
> Meanwhile, Loh when met at Parliament, said he is willing to meet with
> anyone.
> "I don't deny that there are people who have visited me. I am willing to
> explain to anyone the context of my speech," said the first-term MP and
> former aide to ex-MCA president Dr Ling Liong Sik.
> It is learnt that a dialogue will be held this week between the Umno
> Youth Kelana Jaya division and Loh.
> Selangor Umno deputy chief Muhammad Muhd Taib is said to have been
> informed of the matter, but could not be reached for comment.
UMNO - United Malays National Org (a racist, muslim outfit).
MCA - Malaysian Chinese Asscn

The islamic intimidation is well established.

The Anti-Jihadist said...

Bernama is the official Malaysian government 'information' (meaning propaganda) agency. Consider it yet another arm of the global jihad.

UMNO is indeed a master race-style political party whose primary concern is perpetuating the Malay-Muslim domination of Malaysia's national life. When UMNO (a well-known joke has UMNO standing for "U Must Not Oppose") issues marching orders, the dhimmi races like the MCA ultimately shut up and fall in line.

John Sobieski said...

I believe most if not almost all of these Muslim 'studies' are intended for infidel consumption (deceit) and to create confusion among the infidels. They all have the same theme - poor misunderstood Islam.

Cubed © said...

Definitely Anti-J, we mustn't hold our collective breath. We'll turn blue.

leavingtheleft said...

In addition, Malay leaders who were angry about the election results used the press to attack their opponents, contributing to raising public anger and tension among the Malay and Chinese communities.

Kg. Medan riots against indians by the followers of the religion of piss:
`Some may ask why I am intent at flogging a dead horse. Perhaps it is my stubborn refusal to believe that it was what it was supposed to be, a conflagaration originating from racial rage.`

We continue down the road of further official proselytising, except this time it's initiated by the inspector-general of police (IGP). Here we have the No 1 person in charge of a dysfunctional law organisation violating the rights of non-Muslim police officers.

“It's not news that UMNO Youth will resort to gangsterism to advance their narrow interests. It has also been proven time and again that criminal conducts including physical violence carried out by these gangsters will not be punished. No surprise also that these people are the one that are loudest in their opposition to formation of an IPCMC for some consider the Royal Malaysian Police to belong to them.”

That is jihad.

Chris said...

Maybe a liberal movement in Islam bring some pace to this religion. Like christianity did its own jehad in 300-700 a.d. by exterminating the greco-latin civilization and bringing darkness and pain to those who were educated and then a new movement about 800 a.d. from some intellectuals started the restoration of the greco-latin civilization, we may have to consider a movement in islam that will enlight those people.

People shall understand that religion is nothing that a product of some madman who wrote books stealing ideas from ancient philosophy and etc. Those books were called bible, quoran or whatever. They are just some cheap junk books that anyone can interpret according to its mental condition.

Malaysia has been built according to its cheap but educated labour, mostly chinese and hindus. Maybe we shall consider to create a close market between the countries of the first world in order to protect our economices from those countries, otherwise we may end up working for 1 doller per day in order to compete them. It is time to create some trade barriers for those cheapy countries (Malaysia,china, singapore, indonesia and etc.) otherwise we will be in trouble. Probably Islam does not say anything about labour abuse or about children's rights who are working from the age of 7.

MissingLink said...

To disconnect Islam from terrorism they would have to ban the Quran (or perhaps just edit it a little - 70%)
Now - that would be no go, and so what other options are there?

Chris said...

Most of the religions are terrorizing their infidels or even atheists. Christianity was developed as an ideology of the people of galilea who did not want the superior greco-latin civilizaiton and it expanded as a decease throughout the ancient world. see =

It took years for christianity to become a civilized cul and this many elements such as fanatic orthodoxs, catholics and etc. are ages behind on issues such as abortion, gay rights and etc. Do not forget that Bush said that god told him to bomb iraq. How many idiots believe to a guy that listens to god? On the other hand.. how many idiots are listening to their god that tells them to bomb,kill and abuse their women.

friendlysaviour said...

Chris, Hi again,..
Yes there is no World shortage of idiots!
Another provactive comment, and Ihave checked your link.
There is much history as yet unknown.
Is it right though, to blame on Christianity, the actions of the Roman Empire?
Constantine took Christ's message and spread it by the sword in some cases.
Maybe Mahammad copied the Roman Emperor's military methods.
He was crtainly as militant and barbaric as any Roman Emperor at their worst, but thankfully not as succesful in his lifetime.
His followers have spread that sickness far and wide, since his lifetime.

Chris said...

I think that romans were pretty civilized, it was the christians that used violence to spread their religion, like Mo did. It is just that who writes history and the truth is often not on books. Have you ever wondered what happened to all those philosophical schools of the roman empire and why suddendly they dissapeared? The first university was found in 1200, for almost 1000 years europe was in darkness, just like islam is since its birth. Byzantium needed 500 years to allow the use of the ancient scripts and philosophies. So my belief is that christianity and islam have many links, they both used the sword to spread their ideology.

Christ said 'love each other' but i dont think that the conquedares or the immigrants in north american who spread christianity did that!

Christianity has built some great monuments like the vatican, st paul cathredal and hagia sophia but still we would be better if we did not have any religion. I am sure that our civilization would be much more advanced if we did not have any religion to believe

friendlysaviour said...

Chris, I think I know what you mean.
Many civilistaions perish under their conquerors, but usaually something remains ti remind us later.
The Romans destroyed ancient British civilisation of the Celts. They massacred the Druid class who were the repositories of ancient knowledge brought from the old World of Greece and Troy, before 1000 BC.
Many British tribes are thought to have converted readily to the new religion of Jesus' followers who are likely to have come to Britain in the first decades AD.
By the Claudian invasion of Albion, the Sacred Isles of Britain, Christianity was set back hundreds of years.
It was not until Centuries later that Constantine converted to Christianity and took the Romab World with him.
It was on thew eve of a great battle that he had a vision and prayed for assistance from Christ.
When he was victorios he decalred himself Christian and from then onwards, Christianity conquered the know Woprld under the Roman flag.
WE can see these events from an historical perspective and understand how different conditions were back then.
It is such a shame that today's moslems are still planted in barbaric customs that died out of the Christian World some time ago.
This does not change the fact that Religion has often been used as an excuse for Barbaric conquesyt since.
I cannot blame Jesus for the actions of Men who interpret His non-violence in a violent way.
Islam however relies on it's violence as the ultimaatre route to power and is all to willing to use jihad as the means to destroy it's enemies.
What do you think about the two caps of Orthodoxy? Russian and Greek.
Will they be fully reconciled?
Check ya later.

Aisah_6 said...

More evidence of the deep tolerance and respect for other religions from the the world’s most peaceful religion?

Why is Islam being the fastest growing religion in the world?

Depending on the country and law, converting from Islam to another religion can mean the death penalty or excommunication from family and friends.The growth in Islam is not down to its merits but down to persecution and fear.

To put a man to death for no other reason than a change of faith is barbaric. Is it any wonder that many people see Muslims as psychopathic savages?

I’m beginning to think that when they say “Kill All Infidels” it’s meant literally rather than metaphorically.