Wednesday, January 07, 2009

The Golden Rule and Islam

From a recent comment thread...a Muslim reader has a question:

I think all religions in this world teach us about peace.What is your proof to say Islam teach us violence,murder and rape?And what do you mean by the Golden Rule in this phrase 'Because Islam does not follow the Golden Rule, it attracts violent people.'?

As I've said before, when a Muslim says 'Muslims/Islam seeks peace', he does not mean what non Muslims conceive 'peace' to be –a cessation of war or something of the like. To Muslims, true 'peace' is only realized when the entire world is dominated and ruled by Muslims in the name of Islam. To infidels, it's a worldwide religious dictatorship (i.e. a 'Caliphate'), but to Muslims, it's 'peace'. See the sort of topsy-turvy world that Muslims have to live in?

As for our proof that the Quran and other key Islamic sources are a recipe for endless war and violence, I am going to forego a lengthy dissertation in this post. I invite interested readers to see the proof here, here and here. There is a plethora of other resources on the net as well.

Now, on to the Golden Rule. It's not surprising that a Muslim like our Malay commenter professes total ignorance about this. After all, the Golden Rule is only the bedrock philosophical principle for most of the world's major religions (with one major exception) and countless other philosophical systems and moral codes.

The Golden Rule is, I feel, best encapsulated by the Bible thusly:

*Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matthew 22, 38)

In other words, treat others the way you would want to be treated.

So, does Islam follow the Golden Rule?

Islam today claims and has always claimed throughout its 1400 years of existence the right to manifest its religion and belief. This is done in a number of ways. If mere argument fails, Muslims resort to threats, coercion, intimidation, litigation, and disinformation to win the day. Islam also employs terrorism and mass murder, virulent anti-Jewish racism, and virulent religious bigotry against Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and all others who are not Muslim (i.e. 'infidels'). "Religious freedom for us," Muslims say, "but no religious freedom for non Muslims—our religion forbids it."

Infidels are duped or browbeaten into Islam via well supported conversion (i.e. 'revertion') programmes; however Muslims are forbidden from converting out of Islam on pain of death…or at best, merely imprisonment. Muslims demand Mosques and Suraus to be built in every major city on the planet, while refusing the very same right to other belief systems in Muslim-ruled cities and countries (the country at the heart of the Islamic world, Saudi Arabia, by law, has not a single non Muslim house of worship). Muslims are free to criticize other belief systems, whilst others who dare to criticize Islam are met with threats of violence or worse. And the list goes on and on.

In other words, Islam has one standard for Muslims and another for everyone else. It is an ideological system totally bereft of the Golden Rule.

11 comments:

Baconeater said...

The Golden Rule from a secular perspective is an innate behavior found in social animals. Even great apes like chimps live by it.
But then you get culture indoctrinating you, which influences how you behave. The Western world embraces the Golden Rule, but Muslims seem to over ride it for when it conflicts with their religious or political beliefs, moreso than just about any other culture/religion on this planet.

BADAR SBPI Sabak Bernam said...
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BADAR SBPI Sabak Bernam said...

thanks to The Anti-Jihadist and European Kafir,who kindly answered my stupid questions.I hope we will meet soon,in the future...

'we are brothers and sisters,not enemy.Islam has taught me in that way...'

European Kafir said...

@badar... no, i won`t be related to your kind ever.

I have no relatives who are terrorists, murderers, cowards who contstantly blame their own evil actions on others (such as on jews, israel, usa, the west), who oppress women and who strap bomb belts around the waists of their children in order to blow them up and together with them many innocent human beings.

NO, but NO thanks!

Anonymous said...

My father told me that Satan will come in many forms to destroy Gods creations. It has started SATAN is Back. God any God will not teach to destroy what he/she has created. Only one religion which can't agree with othe Religion is ................(own answer) This is pure Satanicism. Which ever religion which teaches hatred against any other religion is Satanicism. It a religion direct from SATAN. If your religion teaches this, it's time to leave. don't deny or defend. I'm sure followers of Satan will want to Kill me, behead me, kill my family. Please make my day you followers of SATAN

Anonymous said...

Nowhere in the Koran is there an expression of the Golden Rule…
therefore, it is of no importance in Islam and Muslims have no reason to observe it. Since Islam's most important message to humanity (the Noble Koran) does not contain the Golden Rule, it is logical that it was unimportant to Allah. This explains why he entirely omitted it from the Koran. The Golden Rule is held to be central by all religions except Islam. Muslims are surprised to learn their faith does not teach it.
There is however, a very restricted version of the principle of reciprocity found in the Hadiths. The Hadiths are a non-binding collection of sayings and acts of Mohammed and his companions. They have much less authority than the Koran, but contain a version of the Golden Rule which applies only among "brother" Muslims. This Islamic "brotherhood rule" is not universal and does not apply to non-Muslims.
Islamic reciprocity is restricted to interactions between Muslim "brothers". (An infidel is not to be addressed as "brother" by a Muslim.)
The Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." (Number 13 of Imam al-Nawawi's "Forty Hadiths.)
Other Hadiths clarify the limitation of reciprocity to relations between Muslim brothers:
Bukhari 9,85,83 Mohammed said: "A Muslim is a brother to other Muslims. He should never oppress them nor should he facilitate their oppression." (Note: but he may oppress infidels)
Bukhari 8,73,70 Mohammed said: "Harming a Muslim is an evil act; killing a Muslim means rejecting Allah." (Note: but harming or killing an infidel is a mere misdemeanour.)
Finally, the Koran itself makes it clear that brotherhood applies only towards other Muslims: (Koran 48:29) : "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are harsh against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other."
Such a standard is no higher than that of the mafia or another similar “crime family”. Islam does teach this, and there is the proof of it.
Islam divides the entire world into Islam and the Kafirs (unbelievers) and has two separate sets of ethics for each sphere.
The basis of the Golden Rule is the universal equality of all humankind, regardless of their religion, race or origin. It does not say: Do unto some persons, as you would have them do unto you, but do unto all persons as you would have them do unto you.
Islam denies the universality of the Golden Rule because Islam starts with the division of all humanity, into two different groups: Islamic and non-Islamic. Every aspect of Islamic ethics is based upon this separation, thus Islam has two different ethical codes. Said another way, Islam has dualistic ethics. Thus, in Islam, "Good" is whatever advances Islam; "Evil" is whatever resists Islam.
In the Koran, the main concern is that of forcing the peoples of the earth to submit to Islam and then keeping them in it, as if in a mental prison. Thus, Allah did not forget to include 164 verses commanding Muslims to go on jihaad (holy wars of conquest) and many verses commanding Muslims to murder renegades from Islam. Such verses are opposed to and irreconcilable with the Golden Rule. If such angry verses were removed, 61% of the Koran, 75% of the Sira and 20% of the Hadiths would disappear.
This is perhaps the strongest argument against Islam: The Golden Rule is missing from the Koran, both from the letter as well as the spirit of the text.

Anonymous said...

HOW ISLAM TREATS KAFIRS...Violently

What is a kafir!

Non-believers are so important to Islam's political theory that they have several names. Christians and Jews are called People of the Book or infidels. Other religious names for non-Muslims are atheist, polytheist, and pagan. But the Koran uses one word that includes all of the religious names. That name is kafir, an Arabic word.

Kafir is usually translated as unbeliever, but that translation is wrong. Unbeliever is a neutral word. The Koran is very clear about the kafir. Indeed, the Koran defines the kafir by how it speaks of them. Kafirs are the lowest and worst form of life. Kafirs can be robbed, murdered, tortured, enslaved, crucified and more. Later in this chapter, more of the Koran’s doctrine of the kafir is given in some detail. But the key point is that a kafir is not only a non-Muslim, but also a subhuman who falls under a different moral code from the Muslim.

The Koran is devoted to the division between those who believe Mohammed, Muslims, and those who do not, kafirs. This grand division of the Koran means that there are two points of view of the Koran—the view of the Muslim and the view of the kafir.

Islam means submission, a euphemistic term for slavery. Submission is political, as well as religious. Islam demands that kafirs submit in every aspect of public life. Every part of kafir culture is an offense to Allah. Therefore kafir culture should be annihilated and the kafirs themselves exterminated. The genocide may take hundreds of years, but the small numbers of kafirs in Islamic countries show how effect the Islamic program of genocide is.

Since the time of Mohammed, there has been open hunting season on kafirs: Koran 9:5 "When the sacred months are passed, kill the kafirs wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. Allah is gracious and merciful."

The only way not to be hunted by Muslims is for the kafir to become a Muslim himself.

Over 61% of the Koran is composed of insults directed at the kafirs and suggestions that they should be treated violently.

perceptor1 said...

Your Muslim questioner said:
'What is your proof to say Islam teach us violence,murder and rape?'

The proof is in Islam's original source texts: the Sira and Hadiths.

More than that, the Hadiths reveal Mohammed as a highwayman, torturer, pedophile, necrophile, opportunist, unfaithful husband, etc.

It is Mohammed's example that all Muslims must follow. (Horrendous!)A travesty of logic that anyone could think such a vilain was a man of God.

The fact that most Muslims have not found these hadiths is evidence of mental sloth, narcissism and fear of the mullahs and their assassination-fatwas.

Muslims need liberation and de-programming from this mind-control and information-control death cult.

perceptor1 said...

Your Muslim questioner said:
'What is your proof to say Islam teach us violence,murder and rape?'

The proof is in Islam's original source texts: the Sira and Hadiths.

More than that, the Hadiths reveal Mohammed as a highwayman, torturer, pedophile, necrophile, opportunist, unfaithful husband, etc.

It is Mohammed's example that all Muslims must follow. (Horrendous!)A travesty of logic that anyone could think such a vilain was a man of God.

The fact that most Muslims have not found these hadiths is evidence of mental sloth, narcissism and fear of the mullahs and their assassination-fatwas.

Muslims need liberation and de-programming from this mind-control and information-control death cult.

AFGkilla said...

To everyone saying that islam says we can do anything to 'kafir' is the biggest load of crap in history, infact in the q'uran it asks the muslims to respect all other religions and the people, mistreating a person because they are not muslim is actually a very big sin in islam as it is segregation and discrimination. Also to all the ignorant and uneducated stupidheads who mis-use the word jihad, here's a piece of truth: the word jihad comes from the arabic word jahada which means to strive/to struggle, in other words it is striving to overcome a personal struggle it also means to strive to make the society better, it also means to fight against oppression in basic words to strive or to struggle to do something(the context is always personal never international or global like terrorism). harbomuqabasa in arabic means holy war nowhere in the q'uran is the word mentioned, it's like saying night means night and day also means night, this is exactly what the kafir are claiming. in the q'uran where it says to kill a kafir when you see one is in the fifth verse of sura tawba but if you actually read in context and see what it says previously it says there was a peace treaty which the kafir broke and a war has broken out, wat do u do in a war wen u see an enemy...?, infact in the next verse it tells us that if the enemy is unable to do anything and appologizes it tells us to guide them to safety, only a religion of peace would ask that and no kafir can deny that so keep your bullcrap to yourselves and come back with facts. u kafir here are the biggest example of tyranny, bias and corruption, you do what you do best and that is change the truth, in judgement day unfortunately you will not have a chance to do that so help you god.

The Anti-Jihadist said...

"...the q'uran it asks the muslims to respect all other religions..."

You wanna bother telling us stupid infidels which parts of your quran supposedly tell us that?