Monday, August 24, 2009

Visions of Jesus Stir Muslim Hearts

47 comments:

Avenging Apostate said...

Great video! I'm one of those ex-muslims that came to faith and had a vision/dream of Christ. It seems like it's a common occurence among muslim people. I've met a few others who've also claimed to have had visions/dreams of Christ. They seem to happen all over the muslim world to people, some of whom have never even heard of Jesus (as the son of God), and to people who are otherwise disconnected with Christians. To me, that's what makes these dreams credible.

Mark said...

AA:

Welcome to our world! ! اهلا و صهلا

I know that you are an ex-Muslim, AA. I really do hope that you are very happy now. My very best wishes accompany you.

So many Westerners are converting (reverting) to Islam these days that it is so, so nice to learn about people like you who are finding solace, comfort, and succour in Jesus Christ.

Maybe one day we'll have a peaceful world when all the world proclaims Jesus as their Saviour.

By the way, I love your videos. You're doing a splendid job. Let's get some more of them. I always have to chuckle when I view them! :-)

Ρωμανός ~ Romanós said...

Thanks for posting this news video. I do not watch television, and so do not see very much except what I find on your and other people's blogs.

Mark said...

Romanós:

You're welcome!

Surind Raj said...

Long time follower of this blog here and I recently linked your blog back in my sidebar, after it's restructuring/facelift/version.

Hope it will remain secular/neutral and non-preachy.

For a effective and successful "us vs. them" united & non inclusive mentality and front (in this context), one does not need to bring Christianity or any other religion into the mix.

Start waving crosses and singing Hallelujah & many (includding yours truly), are out of here.

The whole world doesn't need to proclaim anyone as a saviour in order for us to develop, progress and prosper.

Surind Raj said...

The vast majority of academics & "true/real" leaders in the developed world are for secularism, as thousands of years of history, bring out the undeniable fact that it is not a good idea to mix religion and politics.

On top of that, many are against Islam not because it is a religion, but because it is a social & political system and way of life that we (the 21st century) are against.

Avenging Apostate said...

Surind,

Long time follower of this blog here and I recently linked your blog back in my sidebar, after it's restructuring/facelift/version.

Thanks.

However,

Start waving crosses and singing Hallelujah & many (includding yours truly), are out of here.

The whole world doesn't need to proclaim anyone as a saviour in order for us to develop, progress and prosper.


Its up to us, contributors of this blog, to decide what we want to blog about and if we want to write about Christ and "wave crosses and sing Hallelujah" then that's exactly what we're going to do. And if you or anyone else doesn't like it, they are welcome to get "out of here".

To help you make up your mind, here's the link to one of my recent posts: http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-am-not-sorry-for-this.html

And just for the record, I'm still not sorry for it!

Whether we write about Christianity or not doesn't change the fact that Islam is as evil as it is.

Avenging Apostate said...

I know that you are an ex-Muslim, AA. I really do hope that you are very happy now. My very best wishes accompany you.

I AM happy!

Maybe one day we'll have a peaceful world when all the world proclaims Jesus as their Saviour.

Amen!

Surind Raj said...

Not surprised to see the righteous supremacy and "thinking so great about yourself" attitude going on here.

When I said "get out of here", I was referring to the bigger game & alliance out there and not just your blog.

Ethic and values go a long way for activists, as activists are not slimy politicians, whom believe more in "the means to an end" strategy & grovel to the weak, ignorant and underdeveloped.

On a final note, fundamentalism/extremism and ultras will always be around, as it is a human condition. Not that of any one religion.

Ρωμανός ~ Romanós said...

Hey brother Surind Raj,

Allow to followers of Jesus the same liberty of self-expression that you wish for yourself with your principles and opinions.

The ironic thing here is that you seem to be offended by what you consider the "religion" of Christianity, which in your eyes is just another variety of what Islam is, when in actual fact, your attitude betrays your adherence to secularism in a religious way.

Religions always try to bind people rather than to free them. The man Jesus Christ came into a world bound by religion, yet He Himself was unbound, and He came to unbind others.

Look to yourself, brother, and make sure that you are not one of those He came to unbind, because if you are, if you are bound by anything, then it is your religion, and Jesus Christ is the end of religion.

There may be people who say they follow Jesus when in fact they serve another master: He frees, but they bind. In the end the words He spoke will be applied to them, "No man can serve two masters…"

A moment ago I wrote, "the man Jesus Christ came…" because it is not my duty to declare a truth in your face that you are not ready to accept, nor is it my right, nor does Jesus ask me to do this, nor does He Himself do this.

But my testimony about Jesus Christ is like that of Peter. I call Him not "the man Jesus Christ" but "the God-Man" or "the Son of the living God."

He didn't force me to believe in Him, just as He didn't force Peter, just as He doesn't force you, and neither do I.

But for every man that has come into the world, everything in his life will narrow to that singularity where he must face this question:

"Who do you say that I am?"

Surind Raj said...

Avenging Apostate, Romanos & probably nearly everyone else commenting here (preaching to the choir).... you are all so "cliche", that it is not even funny anymore :)

Same for your Romanos, with your expected comeback "secular in a religious way" - I didn't expect that one..ohhh ;)

Yeah, continue your path & strategies. Do and be what you want. It's a free world after all, or isn't it? Who knows? :)

Meanwhile... in most western countries, not only are the numbers/% of agnostics & atheists growing, but those of other religions/ways of life as well (Hinduism, Buddhism, New Age Spirituality, etc.).

Nice "inclusive" strategy you guys have there.

On a final note (I will not be wasting my time & "care" responding here again)... the name "Pedestrian Infidel" is misleading in my opinion. Perhaps you should put a clause there... "Condition - for Christian Infidels only".

Avenging Apostate said...

Not surprised to see the righteous supremacy and "thinking so great about yourself" attitude going on here.

If you tell people like Suring that you are not going to apologize for believing in Christ, you become "righteous supremacist: and "thinking so great about yourself" type. And when he says,

Meanwhile... in most western countries, not only are the numbers/% of agnostics & atheists growing, but those of other religions/ways of life as well (Hinduism, Buddhism, New Age Spirituality, etc.).

what is that? Beautiful poetry? Are you telling me that anyone that believes in or follows those religions is doing so because they are ashamed of them? Get a life dude.

On a final note the name "Pedestrian Infidel" is misleading in my opinion. Perhaps you should put a clause there... "Condition - for Christian Infidels only".

Again, we will do what we want to do. Its not upto anyone to dictate what we should do. If we're Christians and want to talk about Christ, we will do so without worrying about being politically correct and the same way, if we had a Jewish contributor, they can write about Judaism, Hindus about Hinduism and Buddhists about Buddhism. If you can't accept that us Christians are happy with who we are and Who we follow then that's your problem, its you who feels inferior, and we've got nothing to do with it.

Avenging Apostate said...

Oh another thing,

I will not be wasting my time & "care" responding here again

THanks, because you're not adding anything valuable anyway.

Surind Raj said...

Only people whom are desperate (& childish) and have nothing on someone, would resort to putting words into their mouth to (attempt to look) like they have won an argument. Your hypocrisy is laid bare for everyone to see and there is no point in arguing or debating with such people.

Ρωμανός ~ Romanós said...

Yes, Surind Raj, as regards hypocrisy, I agree with Jesus, who says,

"There is no sound tree that produces rotten fruit, nor again a rotten tree that produces sound fruit. For every tree can be told by its own fruit: people do not pick figs from thorns, nor gather grapes from brambles. A good man draws what is good from the store of goodness in his heart; a bad man draws what is bad from the store of badness. For a man's words flow out of what fills his heart." (Luke 6:43-45)

Surind Raj, what is in your heart?

The Anti-Jihadist said...

This comment war is very unfortunate. I regret Surind painting Islam and Christianity in the same light, as two sides of the same coin. He should know better.

Secondly, Surind fails to understand that it was Christianity that saved AA from the hell that is Islam. He would benefit from reading AA's testimony. Islam turns this life into Hell on Earth for its believers and for its many victims, and AA nearly became another one of those victims.

It is a brave few who find the temerity and wherewithal to leave Islam. Some of those people go from Islam to agnosticism or atheism, and that is their right. But that doesn't give anyone else the right to criticise AA's chosen method to sever the surly bonds of Islam.

I know that AA, as a personal friend of mine, has precious little space anywhere in his life to express his personal views. We certainly cannot insist that he remain quiet or take his views elsewhere.

Surind, you and AA are not nor should you be enemies. You two have the same enemy. All humans have the same enemy and that enemy is Islam. Let's try to remember that.

Surind Raj said...

To set the record straigt, I never and have never seen/put Islam and Christianity in the same light. Name me one place on this thread where I have said that. This is one of the things that pisses/pissed me off.

You know my background as an academic Anti-Jihadist, so I will not go into it.

Plenty of "scientific" (“There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance” - Hippocrates) evidence out there, that fundamentalism - that can lead to ulra-extermism is a human trait and condition. Give these type of people any religion and they will interpret it in the most backward and extremist way they can. This is why every religion and especially monotheistic religions, have their extremists and those that kill and use violence in the name of their supposed gods.

Islam is probably the worst "way of life" (I will not call it a religion for obvious reasons) that you can give to these kind of people.

Of course, the other dimension exist as well. Where it is possible to brainwash people from a young age or a vulnerable stage of their life with dogma and fundamentalistic/extremists views.

Bottom line is, and this quote says it best:
"0ne of the first things lost to moral certainty is the capacity for compassion. Righteousness is a cold, hard position, and an unshakeable one. It allows no room for one of the most basic tenants of human existence: doubt. Faith exists not in counterpoint to certainty but to doubt. And those in religious institutions who wish to commune with their fellows must never lose sight of the fact that doubt defines and binds us. Few of us have the capacity to defend a position of uncompromising certainty." - reelviews

Doubt is one of the most humble of values to have:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07JvzfO0vOk

& I preach doubt:
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3791007322683758535&ei=x6qWStnbFoSSwgPF442SBg&q=religulous&hl=en&client=firefox-ahttp://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3791007322683758535&ei=x6qWStnbFoSSwgPF442SBg&q=religulous&hl=en&client=firefox-a

AA, I have bigger fish to fry and hold no grudges or waste emotions on it, for I am much more strategic than that. Congrats on you leaving Islam, as apostasy should be a basic human right in all countries, not a privilege.

p.s. - let us all start praising. would like to see more posts praising other religions as well, along with The Flying Spaghetti Monster. RAmen! Let us mock the heathens as well, and lay it all out (be open) about all out views about heathens, heaven and hell, etc.

Meanwhile, the occasional Pastafarian in me is not sorry for this "Maybe one day we'll have a peaceful world when all the world proclaims the Flying Spaghetti Monster as their Saviour." :)

http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

Surind Raj said...

"Fundamentalist movements are political movements with religious, ethnic, and/or nationalist imperatives. They construct a single version of a collective identity as the only true, authentic and valid one, and use it to impose their power and authority. They usually claim to be the representatives of authentic tradition. However, fundamentalists are far from pre-modern. To promote their project, they use all modern technological means available, from the media to weaponry. Furthermore, the vision they conjure up is a constructed and selective vision, rather than a revival of something in the past. Since 2000 the popular appeal of fundamentalisms has been growing across the world and different communities." - source: http://www.wluml.org/english/pubsfulltxt.shtml?cmd[87]=i-87-98541

Avenging Apostate said...

AJ,

Thanks for the comment.

Surind,

I personally don't care what you think about Christianity and what you think about what I said. What I said and still say is, you nor anyone else has any right to tell the contributors on this blog to not "wave crosses or sing hallelujahs". Political correctness is what got all of us here in the first place. You can doubt all you want but don't expect others to do the same. I, personally, don't care about your choice for your life.

My whole point, that I still stand by is that if people don't like Christianity and articles about Christianity then they can take a walk. I agree with the US constitution when it says "freedom of religion", I don't agree when people interpret it as, "freedom from religion".

I am anti postmodern. I don't think there is no absolute truth. I don't know but maybe you and I disagree on that, then again, I don't care if we do as long as you are not trying to force anything down my throat and vice versa.

Surind Raj said...
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Surind Raj said...

Not surprised with the counter accusations from AA. Expected comeback really and speaking generally of course.

Yawn... hate repeating what I have said before, especially to those with selective vision and whom choose to see what they want to see only (or most of the time) - obviously with some lingering issues/resistance within their own psyche that they project upon (as emanating from) everything (except themselves).


from previous comments:

"Hope it will remain secular/neutral and non-preachy."

"Yeah, continue your path & strategies. Do and be what you want."

Avenging Apostate said...

You can keep on "expecting" (this is the millionth time you've said it on this comment thread) and keep accusing people of having "selective vision" but what I can't help but notice is that you have a hard time accepting that there are people out there that hold onto ideals and morals and wouldn't compromise them. Those morals are why I am writing on these blogs, you on the other hand seem like a person who is just writing. I don't even know why you are pushing your view on us. You want to be secular, well be secular and not anti religion. Be clear, first of all, about what you want and then PREACH, because that's all you've been doing.

Surind Raj said...

General Statement:

Again AA with the "placing of words". That "kid" doesn't know who he/she is messing with, or even what he/she is talking about.

This time however, only 4 words are needed... "Right back at AA" :)

Surind Raj said...

General Statement:

(Another) example of - people whom "hold onto ideals and morals and wouldn't compromise them" & "personally don't care about other people's choice for their life.":

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/36272-protesters-threaten-bloodshed-over-hindu-temple

Avenging Apostate said...

LOL! I knew you'd show your true colors. Just didn't think it would be this soon.

When I say that it is my right and every other blogger on this blog to write about Christianity if we choose to do so...and no one else has either the authority or any right to tell us otherwise, you come out of your little world and declare that as though I said, "I will murder you if you don't believe in Jesus as your savior."

How low can you go? Oh and by the way, I thought you said you had "bigger fish to fry" and that you weren't going to "be wasting your time not care to respond". I see how much of a man of your words you are! Practicing what we preach, are we?

Oh and another thing, your general statements like "don't know what you are talking about", "don't know who you're messing with", "your hipocrisy is laid bare" don't mean anything to me. The way you talk is no different than the Muslims that I debate with, who don't have anything they can talk about but just spew out general statements like, "you don't know anything, your people started the crusades". So do us all a favor, and try to produce something original and I mean original and none of that, "oh RICHARD DAWKINS says it so it must be true" crap.

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Canadian said...

Fake video. Everybody knows it. I know a girl who had converted to Christianity and then apostatized and returned to Islam. When she converted they told her to say that she had a "vision" of Jesus. These "Jesus vision" myths are a new phenomenon, a new tactic used by Christian propagandists, and this is enough to prove its falsity.
I am an ex-Christian by the way.

Canadian said...

"Secondly, Surind fails to understand that it was Christianity that saved AA from the hell that is Islam. He would benefit from reading AA's testimony. Islam turns this life into Hell on Earth for its believers and for its many victims, and AA nearly became another one of those victims."

I'd like to read his testimony. Where is it? Your comment about Islam, believers and victims is wrong of course.
Are you saying that had he converted to Judaism or Buddhism for instance, he would not be saved?!

"Surind, you and AA are not nor should you be enemies. You two have the same enemy. All humans have the same enemy and that enemy is Islam. Let's try to remember that."

It is people with your mentality that are the enemy of all humans. People who hate others just because they subscribe to a different faith.

Peace.

Canadian said...

Surind Raj

The title of this blog is indeed misleading since the word "infidel" is originally a Judeo-Christian invention to denote non-believers. So in the eyes of Christianity I am an infidel, so are you, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists and agnostics etc... I laugh when a Christian calls himself "infidel". It is like an atheist calling himself a believer.

Nice to see you discover the reality of this supremacist Christian blog.

Peace.

Ρωμανός ~ Romanós said...

Avenging Apostate, it's pretty amazing, isn't it, how something good like this video can draw down so much hatred and mockery.

Matthew 5:10-12

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Surind Raj said...

God (the flying spaghetti monster) spoke directly to me through his prophet and out lord last night. He said forgive the misguided heathen Christians (they are going to hell after all), whom see nearly every other "non-Christian" & especially judege all atheists in the same light.

These "Non-Pastafarians" don't know when they have lost big time and continue grovelling and grumbling like a little children, spewing out name calling and illogical rubbish - bypassing/making their own definitions for commonly understood words/idioms/phrases/slang.

This not only demonstrates a lack of not only general knowledge, but a warped mentality that constructs an artificial reality of the world and other people - "high", from drinking their Christian cool aid and living in denial of facts and what others have said and researched about them.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster said never waste energy and your time, on these heathens, but rather that their sin and suffering will only be compounded by their ignorance and arrogance.

RAmen!

Canadian said...

"Avenging Apostate, it's pretty amazing, isn't it, how something good like this video'

Where is the good in this video? Where is the good in faking testimonies?

"can draw down so much hatred and mockery."

Where is the hatred and mockery? I'll tell where I see hatred and mockery, it is in the posts of the authors of this blog whenever they talk about Islam or its adherents.

"Matthew 5:10-12"

Your fake Bible means nothing to us.

Peace.

Canadian said...

Surind Raj you cracked me up! Good job.

Surind Raj said...

:)

More funny stuff - The right to free (rational/logical) speech, only for those who are interested & (forever) on the edge, waiting to throw out the (one of the many cards the "dependent/insecure" have) accusation "forcing it down our throats":

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/09/praise-jebus-what-sarah-palins-churches.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/09/secularists-have-right-to-maintain.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/09/if-every-religion-creed-says-that-their.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/08/gods-next-army-2006-documentary.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/10/respect-for-religion-now-makes.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/11/failure-of-christianity-by-emma-goldman.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2009/06/hindus-christians-not-so-different.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/11/dawkins-what-if-youre-wrong-on.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-witchcraft-and-war.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/09/christians-stop-hurricane-ike-with.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/08/violent-religions-have-pr-problem-with.html

http://surind.blogspot.com/2008/03/christian-nazi-attacks-atheists.html

Avenging Apostate said...

Canadian,

Fake video. Everybody knows it. I know a girl who had converted to Christianity and then apostatized and returned to Islam. When she converted they told her to say that she had a "vision" of Jesus.

Really? Everybody knows it? Wow, I must bow down and worship allah right now. I said it to you already and I'm going to say it again, prove it!

I am an ex-Christian by the way.

So? I don't care. I did enjoy the followinig though.

Your fake Bible means nothing to us.

Its great! We mention the Bible and you start fogging at the mouth! Priceless!

Surind,

I asked yesterday how low you could actually go. Thanks for answering that question so quickly. While today you didn't add anything worth reading or replying, its quite interesting how you found a team-mate who just seems to have made an account on blogger yesterday.

Anyway, you "two" can keep commenting, I'll keep replying. I'm one of the contributors, you're just visitors!

Oh, and while we're talking about prophesy, you did bring up Richard Dawkins "as expected".

Romanos,

Well, I'm not surprised. Surind claims to be a secular, however, all he's doing is trying to shut up Christians. Canadian claims to be a Muslim. So a secular teams up with a Muslim, because to them Islam is alright...Christianity is what they need to rid everyone of! I pity them but then, we already knew this would happen, didn't we?

Canadian said...

Avenging Apostate

"Really? Everybody knows it? Wow,"

Yes, everybody.

"I must bow down and worship allah right now."

That is not what I said. I do not want anybody to convert to Islam based on some fake or irrational "visions". I converted to Islam through research and reason, not fake irrational "visions".

"I said it to you already and I'm going to say it again, prove it!"

Prove what? It is guys like you who make these absurd claims. The onus is on you to prove it, because you are making the claim, not us. I said that I have evidence from a former convert to Christianity who was told by the Christian propagandists to tell a "vision" story like this. It is all fake my friend.

"I did enjoy the followinig though.

Your fake Bible means nothing to us.

Its great! We mention the Bible and you start fogging at the mouth! Priceless!"

What? That is not true. The bible means nothing to me because I no longer consider it authoritative on morality or the reality of life. how would you like if a Muslim came out to you and started preaching using the Holy Quran? It would be nonsensical to preach to people with books they do not believe in.

"its quite interesting how you found a team-mate who just seems to have made an account on blogger yesterday."

I am not his team-mate. I just found his posts to be honest and exposing the reality of this blog and its contributors. I made my account on Blogger yesterday because your blog kept sending an error message whenever I tried sending comments with an Open ID.

"Anyway, you "two" can keep commenting,"

Are you implying that we are the same person? This is too low and shows your conspiracy-theorist mentality.

"Well, I'm not surprised. Surind claims to be a secular, however, all he's doing is trying to shut up Christians."

That is not true. I am sure the guy spoke adherents of other religions too. Heck, he is a frequent visitor of this Islam hate blog.

"Canadian claims to be a Muslim. So a secular teams up with a Muslim, because to them Islam is alright..."

So when a Muslim "teams up" with an atheist it is bad, but when a radical hateful Christian like yourself was teaming up with him it all right?!! Such hypocrisy!
I do not think for Surind Raj Islam is right. He is an atheist. But for me it is the right worldview.

"Christianity is what they need to rid everyone of!"

I am not on a mission here to de-convert Christians, so is Surind Raj I believe, but i do wish that to happen of course.

"I pity them but then,"

I do not need your pity, thanks.

"we already knew this would happen, didn't we?"

You you didn't.

Peace.

Avenging Apostate said...

What? That is not true. The bible means nothing to me because I no longer consider it authoritative on morality or the reality of life. how would you like if a Muslim came out to you and started preaching using the Holy Quran? It would be nonsensical to preach to people with books they do not believe in

Right...judging by the fact that Romanos was addressing me and not you or your type, my comment still stands. You Muslims can use your Quran among yourselves, I don't care. But you just read the Bible somewhere, and yes, I will repeat myself, you start foaming at the mouth.

"Anyway, you "two" can keep commenting,"

No, I'm not implying that you are the same person, but what I am saying is that there is no difference b/w what you say or what Surind's saying here. So it doesn't make a difference whether you write it or Surind, I just have to reply to one and it stands for the other also. Way to put words in my mouth! You are such a wimp that you didn't even paste my whole sentence which clearly says "visitors" and not "visitor"!

I am not on a mission here to de-convert Christians, so is Surind Raj I believe, but i do wish that to happen of course.

Keep dreaming!

Rest of what you said is pathetic as usual, no need to comment on that.

Canadian said...

"Right...judging by the fact that Romanos was addressing me and not you or your type, my comment still stands. You Muslims can use your Quran among yourselves, I don't care."

Almost his entire comment was on my stance regarding this fake video. So I felt it appropriate to respond to his Biblical passages too.

"But you just read the Bible somewhere, and yes, I will repeat myself, you start foaming at the mouth"

Not true. There are many people who quote the Bible here and elsewhere, but I do not go rebuking for it.

"No, I'm not implying that you are the same person, but what I am saying is that there is no difference b/w what you say or what Surind's saying here. So it doesn't make a difference whether you write it or Surind, I just have to reply to one and it stands for the other also."

This shows you prejudice and closed-minded, dogmatic mentality. I am sure Surind Raj and I differ on many things.
Whether we both agree on the radical supremacist hateful Christian reality of this blog does not mean that we have identical views on everything. It is very normal for 2 people with different backgrounds to agree on several things. Nothing strange in that at all.

"Way to put words in my mouth!"

I did not. I only took the common implication of how you structured your statements. You should have been clearer in what you meant.

"You are such a wimp"

Thanks for the insult. So Christian

"that you didn't even paste my whole sentence which clearly says "visitors" and not "visitor"!"

"you two" and "visitors". That seemed like a contradiction to me and confusing. That is why I said you "implied".

"Keep dreaming!"

If people stopped dreaming, they would not have accomplished anything.

"Rest of what you said is pathetic as usual, no need to comment on that."

Or maybe you have no response? You commented on most of my comment anyway.

Peace.

Surind Raj said...

Bottom line is this & if the other contributors of this blog do not see this, it just shows their level of maturity as far as I am concerned.

I & many other (inc. Canadian I suspect) are all for frank, mature and civil/polite intercultural/interelligious dialogue.

Any mature/reasonable person whom has control over their bias/emotions and views this thread, will know that Avenging Apostate was the first person here to get emotional/unreasonable/illogical and "react" in a direspectful/childish/impolite/uncivil behaviour/writings.

Check out my commenting with Romanos for example on his blog, to view a discussion with a conservative-fundamentalist whom is more mature.

If the moderators of this blog want to maintain any form of quality, maturity, values I have talked about above on this blog... (in my opinion - & I don't have a huge ego/righteous problem here if I may add) they should vote to "kick" Avenging Apostate of this "Pedestrian Infidel" blog.

I don't care what they do, as I "trust" enough in the more discerning/mature of society out there (whom are interested), to see things for what they really are.

Canadian is right here, that a cetain segment of society might view this blog as a fascist/christian supremacist blog... in the same veins as the British National Party - whom AA will most probably support (in totality).

This is my last comment on this thread and to/about AA. Time is limited and I/we have much to do.

Avenging Apostate said...

Surind,

It doesn't matter whether you read this comment or not but I'm still man enough to address this to you!

Its not surprising to see this victim mentality. Whats surprising is that this trait which is so "Muslim" these days is found in people that claim to be "secular" or "atheist".

My only objection to begin with and even now with what you said is nothing else but: WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND PREACH IT ALSO IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. AND NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL US OTHERWISE.

Freedom of expression is the core of the western civilzation and I'd be lying if I said I am not fighting for it here. I don't get why you and your type get so jumpy when us Christians say we have the right to believe in Christ and preach him also. Why are you so intent on telling us that we shouldn't do that?

Do you even know what being a secular means? WHen I say I can preach Christ (and so can Mark and Anti-Jihadist) whenever I choose to do so, it doesn't mean you have to listen to it. I don't tell you to stop sucking up to Richard Dawkins, nor do I tell any Muslim to stop preaching what they preach (just stop blowing people up and stop killing otherwise, which is the whole of their religion when it comes down to dealing with differences). And again, if we had a Jewish or Buddhist blog member, I won't tell them to not preach or say anything about their religions.

All I am saying is that there should be freedom to speak about whatever you want to speak and no one should even think they have the right to tell people otherwise.

Your problem is, you got too dramatic because I didn't agree with your view which seems to be atheistic. I don't really care if you're an atheist, you can believe in or not believe in whatever you want. However, I do care when you have the audacity to tell us what to believe also.

Oh and you don't have an ego problem but you want me kicked out. Are you out of your mind? At least be honest with yourself if you can't be honest openly.

Oh and no I don't know about the British National Party. That comment of your shows your ignorance about me! Again, it doesn't matter to me personally what you think, all you have done in this comment thread is revealed who you really are. Secularism is a term that you have adopted after adulterating its meaning. All you are to me is an anti Christian bigot who is no different than Muslims...just like they try to silence everyone that diagrees with them, so do you!

Lastly to you, this isn't the first time you have said its your last comment here, don't know what else you lie about. Not credible at all and a whiner is what I have concluded about you!

Finally to anyone that might read or comment here: My position is still clear and same. Freedom of expressionand freedom of religion. Anyone of this blog can express what they want (one of the reasons we don't delete any comments). We can preach Christianity if we want and you can ignore and not believe in Christianity if you want. People who don't like that fact can click the 'x' button on the top right corner.

Avenging Apostate said...

Oh I forgot to say this; I hate political correctness. So if that's your idea of civil, then forget about it!

Mark said...

WOW! I had no idea that I had posted something which had generated such a heated discussion! Keep going! Very animated, I must say.

Avenging Apostate said...

Mark,

I was wondering when you were going to share your opinion. You missed the whole thing in action, it seems!

Mark said...

AA:

I'm sorry, I have been very busy of late. I really did miss this wonderful debate in action; and I'm very sorry about that.

I have to go sick visiting this afternoon, so I can't give you my thoughts now. I shall try to return to the thread sometime very soon.

Mark said...

AA:

You want me to share my opinion. But of what exactly? Religion? Jesus? This thread is so long, I don't know where to start.

You are all more stirred up about religion than I could ever be, I think. I have never had any visitations by Jesus; and nor have I had any extraordinary, religious experiences.

Evangelism, which this video is about, is not my thing. I find it interesting, I find it fascinating; but it's not where I am as a person.

I was born into Christianity, and I believe the message of Christianity is a very sound one – it's the way that people need to live to be at peace with each other – contrast Muhammad's message – but I am NO FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN.

In fact, truth to tell, as I have gotten older, my doubts about religion have grown. Sometimes I think I am an agnostic! But even so, I have a great respect and love for Jesus. He has a special place in my heart, I suppose.

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