Thursday, September 10, 2009

"Nice Taqiyyah"

Courthouse Rumble - Robert Spencer from J. Mark Campbell on Vimeo.

The ending is priceless!

6 comments:

starryhaven said...

Salam and Peace be Upon You. Your comments attracted me to your site. Just to share my thoughts :). When you say that Islam forces people to convert, Islam doesnt force people to convert, it is people who force people to convert. And many times, it isnt forcing, it is recommending people. Therefore dont blame Islam.
Surah Baqarah Verse 256. La ikraha fee alddeeni qad tabayyana alrrushdu mina alghayyi faman yakfur bialttaghooti wayu/min biAllahi faqadi istamsaka bialAAurwati alwuthqa la infisama laha waAllahu sameeAAun AAaleemun

256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.

The Book of God clearly says there is no compulsion in Islam. So, again, Islam is a peaceful religion. Dont blame the religion.

Just like in Christianity, you are not suppose to commit adultery but do we condemn Christianity for the many millions Christians who are doing it everyday?....Christianity is what is in the Bible, it isnt what the people do. Same here.

2ndly, why does a person shouting back against someone who condemns their religion considered being indecent?. Some people are extremist and they are passionate about their religion. And if you go condemning their religion and belittle it to the extent of drawing cartoons of prophets and mocking them, do you expect people to be quiet. Just as someone from Christianity or Buddism will do if we mock and make cartoons of Jesus Christ of the Buddha. But a Muslim wont because Jesus Christ is our beloved prophet Isa who we love just as you do and Buddism is a way of life that even Muslim Sufi Poets used to use as a reference in the poetry bcoz of the similarity of their way of life and what the Quran recommends.

Thats all for today. Just wanted to share. Islam is a peaceful religion. And every fact of life from the production of a fetus in a mother's womb to the changing of night to day to the existence of plant genders ie female and male plants (way before men found this out)are in the Quran ie God's book. If you want to find out about Islam, read the Book, not the people. Thannk you. Assalamualaikum and Peace Be Upon you!

Avenging Apostate said...

Alright Starryhaven (funny name), that was a bunch of BS. If you thought you could just write a long post and we'd go nodding along, well you came to the wrong place.

There were several things that were messed up and flat out lies in what you wrote.

"If you want to find out about Islam, read the Book, not the people."

I have read the "book", if you can call it that. What's your point?

"And if you go condemning their religion and belittle it to the extent of drawing cartoons of prophets and mocking them, do you expect people to be quiet. Just as someone from Christianity or Buddism will do if we mock and make cartoons of Jesus Christ of the Buddha."

That got me laughing really hard because it shows your ignorance. I personally don't care about Buddha but there have been many MANY paintings and cartoons and what-not of Jesus that were created to make fun of him. Do you know how many people were killed because of that? ZERO! And do you know why? Because no human, first of all, has the power to INSULT God. And second, Jesus taught us to accept that people will hate him.

When Muslims see cartoons of Mohammed and they get all riled up, and its not a couple of Muslims here and a couple there, but all of you are one voice in support of violence and "banning the cartoons", asking for "apologees" and going crazy, well that tells us what your Mohammed told you to do. Now, you might say, "no but they don't follow the religion". My question is, what kind of dumb religion are you following that none of the followers of that religion can actually follow it accurately?

But a Muslim wont because Jesus Christ is our beloved prophet Isa who we love just as you do..."

Oh no you don't. And don't you dare claim you do. You demean Jesus and you play jokes with His life and His sacrifice. You have learned about "ISA" (which isn't even proper, Mohammed got it mixed up, the Arabic for Jesus is Yesu). through your messed up version of what Mohammed thought he was. You don't even know who Jesus is. You have no idea what you say when you say you love him. How can you love someone you don't even know?

"2ndly, why does a person shouting back against someone who condemns their religion considered being indecent?"

Because decent people can have decent dialog and debates without having to resort to shouting. its only people that believe in BS religions like Islam that start shouting if someone points out the truth. Of course Mohammed never debated with anyone because he just killed people that didn't agree with him. Abu Afak, Asma bint Marwan etc etc etc.

"256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things."

This verse was revealed for another purpose and not for "OH ISLAM MEANS PEACE" BS that you and your type keep repeating these days. Why is it that none of the classical commentators ever say "islam is a religion of peace"? Why is it that Mohammed never used this verse when he had the upper hand and he was killing innocent people in Medina and all around? Why didn't he use it when he was killing people to plunder? your modern BS doesn't change your past and your past is so dark that if you were decent human beings, which you are not, you wouldn't even be showing your faces.

Instead of lying or believing in lies, for a change, WHY DON'T YOU GO READ YOUR BOOK AND RESEARCH YOUR RELIGION? Stop telling us to do something that you have never even done yourself.

And now just for the record, I am an ex-Muslim. So don't think you can just come in here and we'd believe ya! Get a life and bring up something real.

starryhaven said...

HAHAHAHHAHA....you make me laugh when you say that you have read the book. That is BS. Quote me anywhere in the Quran that describes Jesus Christ in a bad way. Or anywhere in the Quran that says the Islam is a compulsive religion. I can bet that you will not find it in there.
And it is embarassing to know that you walked out of a religion that you yourself dont know much about. You say we Muslims belittle Jesus Christ. What is wrong with you? We condemn the fact that you call Jesus Christ your god, son of your god and the holy spirit. We embrace the fact that he is a prophet and that he is an exemplary figure in Islam. Show me where is Jesus Christ who we call Nabi Isa(PBUH) is condemned or ridicule by a true muslim.

Again, please give me proof that Muhammad (PBUH)
went around killing innocent lives. What jokes are you making? What facts are you talking? Muhammad is a man who condemned compulsive religion.Else, He would have killed all the Kafirs that were in Mecca and Medina. He was in defense only when He was attacked.

Answer me this, how do you explain your theory of Trinity. Show me one verse in the Bible that shows Jesus proclaiming himself as God.
And one simple logic for you people to think about. Why would God or Jesus Christ who you call God sacrifice himself or die for all your sins?....He is God Almighty. He wasnt born, he will not die. He is not a human being like you or me to sacrifice ourselves, kill ourselves and bare other people's sins. So how can you disrespect God and say that He will die for your sins? Who are you kidding? So you people say that you can commit all the sins in this world and get away with it just by saying "im sorry" to God? And you expect Him to bare your sins? And you tell us that God will save you and forgive you all your sins and sacrificing Himself for your sins? EXCUSE ME. Every sin will be punished. If you were allowed to commit all sins such as rape, murder etc and get away with it that easily, dont you think that is bullshit. GO AHEAD AND COMMIT AL THE SINS BCOZ GOD WILL KILL HIMSELF FOR ME. What jokes are you people making of God?.

And you keep repeating that the Muslims are killign innocent lives? Please reflect on the recent happenings in history or maybe even the last few years where America and Israel of committed mass murders. Their excuse : We were looking for Saddam Hussein? We were looking for Osama Bin LAden? We were looking for weapons of mass destruction?
These were your lame excuses to kill thousands of people. So dont call others Killers. Look at yourself

Finally, you walked out on a religion that you knew nothing about. So, dont go around condemning it. I can bet my life on the fact that you havent read the whole Quran. And probably you have read the many versions of the Bible that has been manipulated time and time again. And you call yourself an ex Muslim who thinks Islam is rubbish? You are a mockery to Islam. Know your facts!

Avenging Apostate said...

starryhaven,

Its hard to take you and people like you seriously because you think that if you keep repeating a lie then it automatically becomes TRUE. Anyway, just in the interest of a debate, I will reply to what's worthy of a reply in your comment.

Quote me anywhere in the Quran that describes Jesus Christ in a bad way.

Who said anything about Quran describing "Isa" (again, Jesus, which would be YESU, is not mentioned in the Quran, Mohammed got that wrong) in a bad way? Did you ever go to school? And if you did, did they ever tell you to actually read what other people write and not just pull things out of your butt?

Again, Mohammed made up stories about Jesus. It is the stupidest thing to claim that Mohammed, who came 600 years after Christ knows more about Jesus than his apostles. Its like me claiming that I know your great great great great great grandfather and make up stories about him and then tell people, "starryhaven doesn't know anything about her ancestors, I do!" Of course, if you were in your right mind, you'd think I was dumnb and crazy. Just like I think Mohammed was dumb and crazy!

You say we Muslims belittle Jesus Christ. What is wrong with you? We condemn the fact that you call Jesus Christ your god, son of your god and the holy spirit.

Son of the Holy Spirit? NICE!!! Never heard that one before. Tell me, where did you do your research? Was the name of your teacher Mohammed? Well, its not wonder that you have no idea about Christianity and Christian beliefs since Mohammed himself thought that Christians worship "Allah, Isa, and Mary". Smart, I must say, very smart!

Again, please give me proof that Muhammad (PBUH) went around killing innocent lives.

Right! Have you ever read up on Mohammed? I mean, actually read up on him and not just nod along when a mullah goes, "he would visit an old lady that was sick. she used to throw garbage on him..." blah blah blah. Now, I will give you sources if you reply here again but right now, just for fun, I am just going to throw in some names, LIKE I DID BEFORE, to see if you have brains enough to research on your own. Here I go: Banu Qurayza, Khaybar, Asma bint Marwan, Kab Ibn Ashraf, Abu Afak etc. (I will give more names if you can actually look these up). Just a question: If I, one day, got up and killed about 700 men and took their women and children as my captives, and claimed that God had asked me to do it, would you consider me forgiving or a murderer?

Else, He would have killed all the Kafirs that were in Mecca and Medina.

I don't know why you ignored the fact that Medina had all converted to Islam and those that didn't were either kicked out or massacred (I mentioned the name of the tribe that was massacred above). And when Muslims conquered Mecca (breaking Sulah Hudaibiyyah), the Meccans converted to Islam. We can go into reasons why also but this would be a really long comment. Ask me if you're interested.

He was in defense only when He was attacked.

I don't know what you're trying to tell me. That's like saying, "I use my keyboard to type and my mouse to click." "I have two eyes and a nose!" Of course he was in defense only when he was attacked, which was when by the way, apart from UHUD and TABUQ? In all other cases (and there were over 85 Ghazwas and Sarayas) he was the offender!

I can bet my life on the fact that you havent read the whole Quran.

Really? Well, maybe you should prepare to kill yourself. :-)!

And you call yourself an ex Muslim who thinks Islam is rubbish? You are a mockery to Islam. Know your facts!

I don't CALL myself an ex-muslim, I am one! And second, I do think Islam is crap! Third, I do know my facts and finally, Islam is a mockery itself, you just need to read the Quran for yourself!

Rest of your comment was just either deviating from the currect topic or just plain stupid so I won't bother replying to that load of crap.

Avenging Apostate said...

By the way, just a reminder: You are trying to defend Islam but your testimony and witness alone doesn't even count. Because according to your Quran, your witness counts as equal to half that of a man. Besides, the Quran also tries to tell you that men are a degree above women! Awesome stuff, don't you think? Next time, if you want to be heard, why don't you get at least another woman to speak with you so your testimony actually counts!

Mark said...

There's a great debate going on here! :-) What more can I add?